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H Fowler
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I just got my second book back, and I love it! It is a redo of my first book--an alphabet book for my daughter. Here are the two things I wanted to fix: (1) I tried to make a cover design that wrapped around the whole book, and failed miserably! (2) I designed all my pages on my own, and left no extra space for the bleed area. Every one of the pages was enlarged and cropped, cutting off important parts of the design.
I originally posted about this book, and Berry from ArtsCow told me how to fix things. Here's his response to my first book:
For photo book, you must leave bleed area for cut, it is a must.
For content pages, yes, it is 7.75" x 7.75", but you need to create 8" x 8", and allow 1/8" to be cropped of each side.
For the spine problem, you can try to make a big size, ie. 18.12" x 9.72", which is (8.34"+1.44"+8.34") x 9.72", the crop it into 3 parts, front cover, back cover, spine.
The front cover and back cover are in different size, which is 8.34" x 9.72", because they need to be folded as "perfect bound", not same as content pages. Download the files below, see the guide line for covers and pages. 300 DPI image quality will return perfect quality.
http://forum.artscow.com/ShowPost.aspx?ThreadId=7437
When I redid my book, I used the ArtsCow template, but after some trial and error, I increased the bleed area a little bit. Unless they have changed it, the bleed area on the template and the bleed area when you upload your photos don't match. I increased the bleed area a little, and stretched my background colors to cover the full bleed--in case I had created it too large. It looks just right on my final product.
To create the cover, I did as Berry suggested and created one large file (in Photoshop Elements) and then cut it into three pieces. It was very difficult to cut it into pieces!!! The final result was almost perfect on the front and a little off on the back. I would not suggest trying this. If you want the back and front to wrap around the book, I suggest creating a colored spine instead of trying to wrap over the spine. It's too hard to get it right. If someone has figured out a full-proof way to make it work, please share!!
Here are some pics of the new book, and a couple from the old, so that you can see the difference. If you are creating your book using your own photo program, definitely pay attention to the bleed area, and your book will turn out great!
Here's the old book to compare:
I did have one problem. For some reason, there was a problem with the color on this page, and I ended up with a red spot in the tree. There should be no red. Any way to fix that ArtsCow?
I love my book. I will definitly buy books from here again! The pages are nice and thick, and the binding is great.
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7/27/2008 9:41:09 AM
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blushbutter
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that is fantastic!! very close on the spine! About the spine, I wonder if you could just upload the whole page with back cover/spine and front intact and then just drop the page into postion on each of the template guides to line up? Has anyone tried that ?
I'm definetly watching my bleed areas more on my own scrapping pages, thank's for showing us the redo, oh before I forget did you do the redo at your own expense or was it something Berry offered for free?
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7/28/2008 11:13:17 AM
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H Fowler
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I did the redo myself. It was a free book credit, though. I figure by printing it twice and paying only 11.99 each time, I still spent less than I would have printing it once somewhere else. I don't plan on redoing every book, but I wanted this one just right.
I would love to know if anyone has tried doing the cover the way you suggested. I don't want to pay to try it, though! Berry at ArtsCow . . . do you know if that will work? Also, Berry, do you have a comment on the red spot on one of my pages? (I'm guessing Berry probably has more to do than to read every single one of these posts!!!)
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7/28/2008 12:32:36 PM
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Berry
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I did read about 70% of posts here. Sorry too many post here every day.
I have no ideas about the red spot thing, it is what you see will be what you get.
The back cover and front cover inches are suggested by ArtsCow, they will work with our photo book designer perfectly. But if you want Back Cover, Spine and Front Cover worked as a "full picture", it is not very difficult, you can try with the exact size mentioned above. Should work very well.
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Berry
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7/28/2008 2:50:43 PM
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Berry
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hi Vanessa,
Sorry, we don't offer full credits anymore. The testing period was over already.
You will be responsible for redo expense, if you like, we can add some credits for you to redo, you need to pay the shipping yourself.
If you are not satisfied with the book, return for full refund, thanks.
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Berry
ArtsCow.com
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7/28/2008 2:56:19 PM
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Christine
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I pretty much so want to steal this book. You've totally inspired me to make personalized books for all the little ones in the family for Christmas. Thanks for posting.
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8/7/2008 11:28:46 PM
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jessie2795
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LOVE your A, b, c book! Can you share what other words you used for the rest of the alphabet, please? I need a little helpwith G,I,J,N,U,V,X,Y & Z. Thank you!!
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8/12/2008 9:38:26 PM
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Meaghan
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Wow, I was in love with the book the first time around... now I love it even MORE, if thats possible. That red spot really looks like a little red gremlin monster hanging in the tree haha. Of course its just a drip from the printer haha
When you say you Created the Bleed area a bit bigger then Berry suggested, how much more?
Can you PLEASE post the exact dimensions your Front,Spine,Back Cover and Inside Pages were?
And I think your wrap around looks great. I almost never see a perfect rap around, even in professional "For Sale" books.
GOOD JOB.
SHe will lOVE this when she gets older 
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8/12/2008 10:32:58 PM
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GatorDeb
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So the pages should be 8 with .25 unused at the edges. How do you make the wrap-around cover? I'd like to try doing my own scrapbook pages :D
Thanks!
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8/13/2008 7:52:33 AM
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Kim Hill
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I would allow more than 1/4 inch border around all inside pages. I received my book on Saturday and it had 1/4 inch border and all the text was cut on the outside edges (last letter of each word missing). So now I'm stuck having to redo it again at my own expense because Artscow won't refund. :( Off to look for their template to see what dimensions they are recommending.
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8/18/2008 11:00:13 PM
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monica
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Hi, I love your book! How did you do this? Is it from an online template. I had a look to start my own and couldn't find it. thanks.
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8/27/2008 7:08:12 PM
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Charray
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Hey monica
no this is not from something AC provides. You need to digi-scrap to do something like this. If you do a google search for freebies for digi-scraping then you should find some stuff you can use. Unfortunately something like the one she showed above takes SOME work.
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8/28/2008 6:02:06 PM
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Ramona
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Dumb question, what is the bleed area?
Thanks ;)
>that is fantastic!! very close on the spine! About the spine, I wonder if you could just upload the whole page with back cover/spine and front intact and then just drop the page into postion on each of the template guides to line up? Has anyone tried that ?
>I'm definetly watching my bleed areas more on my own scrapping pages, thank's for showing us the redo, oh before I forget did you do the redo at your own expense or was it something Berry offered for free?
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8/31/2008 2:41:28 PM
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Ramona
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So how could you figure out the bleed area?
I try working with mine, but just can't figure out how to do a 8x8 to a 7.75 (but still having a 8x8).
>I just got my second book back, and I love it! It is a redo of my first book--an alphabet book for my daughter. Here are the two things I wanted to fix: (1) I tried to make a cover design that wrapped around the whole book, and failed miserably! (2) I designed all my pages on my own, and left no extra space for the bleed area. Every one of the pages was enlarged and cropped, cutting off important parts of the design.
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>I originally posted about this book, and Berry from ArtsCow told me how to fix things. Here's his response to my first book:
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>For photo book, you must leave bleed area for cut, it is a must.
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>For content pages, yes, it is 7.75" x 7.75", but you need to create 8" x 8", and allow 1/8" to be cropped of each side.
>
>For the spine problem, you can try to make a big size, ie. 18.12" x 9.72", which is (8.34"+1.44"+8.34") x 9.72", the crop it into 3 parts, front cover, back cover, spine.
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>The front cover and back cover are in different size, which is 8.34" x 9.72", because they need to be folded as "perfect bound", not same as content pages. Download the files below, see the guide line for covers and pages. 300 DPI image quality will return perfect quality.
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>http://forum.artscow.com/ShowPost.aspx?ThreadId=7437
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>When I redid my book, I used the ArtsCow template, but after some trial and error, I increased the bleed area a little bit. Unless they have changed it, the bleed area on the template and the bleed area when you upload your photos don't match. I increased the bleed area a little, and stretched my background colors to cover the full bleed--in case I had created it too large. It looks just right on my final product.
>
>To create the cover, I did as Berry suggested and created one large file (in Photoshop Elements) and then cut it into three pieces. It was very difficult to cut it into pieces!!! The final result was almost perfect on the front and a little off on the back. I would not suggest trying this. If you want the back and front to wrap around the book, I suggest creating a colored spine instead of trying to wrap over the spine. It's too hard to get it right. If someone has figured out a full-proof way to make it work, please share!!
>
>Here are some pics of the new book, and a couple from the old, so that you can see the difference. If you are creating your book using your own photo program, definitely pay attention to the bleed area, and your book will turn out great!
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>Here's the old book to compare:
>
>I did have one problem. For some reason, there was a problem with the color on this page, and I ended up with a red spot in the tree. There should be no red. Any way to fix that ArtsCow?
>I love my book. I will definitly buy books from here again! The pages are nice and thick, and the binding is great.
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9/2/2008 1:18:11 AM
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Charray
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You make an 8x8 page but only put things you DONT want to get cut off IN the 7.75 area.
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9/2/2008 5:25:51 AM
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Joel Keesecker
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How to easily divide a large photo into 3 sections for covers and spine
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Since you had a hard time splitting the image into 3 I thought I share how I'd approach the problem. This is based on my experience with Photoshop and not Photoshop elements but it should be basically the same.
In the view menu select new guide. Set guides at the edges of the spine.
Use the select tool to select each of the three regions (which will snap to the guides and make this much easier), copy to clipboard. Then create a new file and use the clipboard size as the basis for the new file, paste, and save.
Repeat.
If you had the full version of Photoshop you could also use ImageReady to create slices and export them for you.
Paint.NET is a great free alternative to Photoshop that may be adequate for tasks like this.
Great job on your photobook and hope this helps you in the future.
>To create the cover, I did as Berry suggested and created one large file (in Photoshop Elements) and then cut it into three pieces. It was very difficult to cut it into pieces!!! The final result was almost perfect on the front and a little off on the back. I would not suggest trying this. If you want the back and front to wrap around the book, I suggest creating a colored spine instead of trying to wrap over the spine. It's too hard to get it right. If someone has figured out a full-proof way to make it work, please share!!
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9/5/2008 5:41:47 PM
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H Fowler
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Sorry, I haven't had internet for a while.
A: Apple, ant, airplane
B: Babies, ball, blocks, banana, buttons, beads, bus
C: Cat, chicken, car, clips, circle, cow, cookie monster
D: Dragonfly, dinosaur, dog, dragon, duck, Daddy
E: Eggs, elephant, Elmo, Easter eggs
F: Fish, flowers, fingers, fly, frog, fire truck
G: Giraffe, Grandma, Grandpa, Glove, Goggles (picture of my daughter with her swim goggles on), guitar
H: Hanger, house, hippo, horse, heart, hat, hands, (handprints are cute, too)
I: (I had trouble too.) Ice cream, igloo
J: Jingle bells, Jack-O-Lantern, Jack-in-the-box
K: Kite, kangaroo, king, keys
L: One of my daughter's names, lollipop, lion, ladybug, lamb
M: Mommy, mouse, two other daughter's names, monkey
N: Necklace, Nut, nailpolish, numbers
O: Orange (same idea as Y--yellow--see below), owl
P: Pink, princess, pumpkin, puzzle, pig
Q: Quilt, queen, quarter
R: Rainbow, fhino, rabbit, red (see Y--yellow)
S: Swimming, star, shoes, sisters, stitches (picture of my daughter's stitches from a recent injury)
T: Tricycle, telephone, turkey, turtle, train
U: Umbrella, Unicorn
V: Vacuum, vine, van, vest
W: Wagon, watermelon, watch, Winnie the Pooh
X: I used Xylophone, but a friend of mine used X-large and took pictures of her boys in her husband's dress shirt and ties. It was adorable!
Y: Yellow (I dressed my daughter in yellow from head to toe and had surrounded her with yellow toys and stuffed animals), yo-yo, yarn
Z: Zebra, zoo, zipper, and Zzzz (Picture of my daughter asleep in the middle of the floor)
Good luck! Sorry it took me so long.
>LOVE your A, b, c book! Can you share what other words you used for the rest of the alphabet, please? I need a little helpwith G,I,J,N,U,V,X,Y & Z. Thank you!!
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9/13/2008 1:28:51 PM
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H Fowler
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The dimensions for the full cover are: 18.12" x 9.72". The dimensions for the front and back cover are: 8.34" x 9.72". The spine dimensions are: 1.44" x 9.72". I would suggest using the ArtsCow templates to make sure that you don't have things cut off the top bottom and sides. If you divide the large file into three pieces, the only cut off on the spine should be at the top and the bottom. Remember, though that the writing on the spine needs to fit inside the guides on the ArtsCow template, or it will wrap around on the sides.
Someone else suggested a way to divide up the cover. I haven't tried that yet, but I hope it works better than my way. My way was really hard! I was trying to figure out how to put guidelines into my file, but I couldn't figure it out. I'll try what was suggested and see if it works.
Good luck!
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9/13/2008 1:38:26 PM
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H Fowler
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Oops. I forgot to answer your question about the bleed area. I used the ArtsCow template, and them shrank my design just a little bit more. It wasn't a specific amount. I just eyeballed it to make sure that my design was centered in the non-bleed area, and that it didn't even come close to the edges.
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9/13/2008 1:40:16 PM
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H Fowler
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You want to make your pages 8x8 and make sure that your design doesn't come within a quarter inch of any of the outside edges. Try using ArtsCow's template, but don't put any words (or things you don't want cropped) right next to the guidelines.
Good luck!
>So the pages should be 8 with .25 unused at the edges. How do you make the wrap-around cover? I'd like to try doing my own scrapbook pages :D
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>Thanks!
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9/13/2008 1:42:33 PM
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